Body Lift vs Suspension Lift

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  1. d337

    d337 New Member

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    Hey all- first time post,

    I hope this is the correct section for this post. I have a 2015 manual sport. I have been wanting to change out the tires but figured I'd let the original's run their course and its time to replace them. In the end I want to have some fatter tires. Having limited options keeping it stock brings me here.

    I have searched and read some pro's and cons of these options but nothing specific on Renegades. I am not 100% sold on spacers as an alternative but open.

    I would like feedback on the Body vs Suspension lifts. What is preferred and what issues either may have caused with steering, tire wear (alignment), etc. Basically what is the best options and what negatives can result if any. I have limited trail opportunity, its more of a commuter but hate the skinny feet look.
     
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    Welcome to the site.

    We have a number of spacer lift options for the Renegade made by a few companies: ATP, Daystar, Avid Essentials, Teraflex. These spacers will have a measureable effect on alignment.

    As far as actual suspension lifts, I have only found lift springs. That is to say Eibach pro lift springs. Theoretically, if you could “magic wand” these springs into your factory shocks, you would have minimal effect on alignment. Unfortunately, you have to disassemble your factory shocks and re-assemble them with the new springs, which will have a noticeable effect on your alignment.

    The wheel spacers are pretty much required if you want more tire to fit.

    ATP is claiming to have a new 4” lift coming out which would be our biggest yet. It may end up being a combination of springs and spacer.But I'm hoping for bigger shocks.

    Avid Essentials has a product on their site called “Remote Reservoir Coilover Renegade Suspension System.” This might be our first true suspension lift.

    No matter what route you take, the bottom line is we have IFS and IRS. The angel of the trans axels is going to be the limiting factor in how high you can safely go.

    I hope this helps.
     
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    I think it's good discussion to have to talk about the different ways to lift these vehicles. I just wanted to clear something up regarding alignment. With the eibach springs, you will have nearly the same challenge with alignment. Anything at all that changes ride height will affect both camber and toe considerably. In the front- either changing the spring or putting the cushion on top of the strut mount will change camber and toe. Toe is easy to change of course. I've done the daystar lift and aligned it myself and have also read most concerns in this board regarding alignment. It's not that big of a deal, but definitely needs to be addressed by a good tech with the right machine.
     
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    Thanks- this is what makes me a little hesatant. I had a Mercedes C43 that I lowered to find its alignment issue caused it to eat tires constantly. Like a few flats pre year on the road. This is something I'd prefer to avoid.

    So would it be correct to say spacers would not impact alignment? Or rim with an alternative off set.

    The Avid essential set ups look so good. I'd love to throw money at them and convert this, but concerned after the experiences I had with my prior project.
     
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    Any lift will affect alignment. I have the daystar lift, spacers and larger wheels and tires on my renegade. I have logged 12k + miles w no abnormal tire wear. I am a technician and aligned it myself. A qualified shop that will actually do a 4 wheel alignment is what you need and it will be fine.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback. Its good to know that the daystar has much better allignment. 12k with no abnormal wear sounds like it has zero issues.
     
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    there is no issue with the ATP lift either. I've been driving just over 10,000 miles on it with no abnormal tire wear. we are merely saying that no matter what lift you get, you need an alignment afterwards....
     
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    I have the Avid lift and 1" spacers to put Hankook Dynapro ATms in 365/65 r17 on my Trailhawk and I can get inside the lines on my alignment with no other mods. Fronts dial in, rear toe dials in but rear camber is just outside running at 0 degrees (flat) which is fine for me. You can get camber bolts but I've chosen not to as I run it hard off-road. Many techs have a hard time with the rear toe as both trailing arms and the rear control arm adjusts. Try the rear trailing arm cam bolt first, then the forward trailing arm has a slide adjustment (tech will say you're nuts, just do it they'll see) and if you need a little more the mounting holes for the control arm bracket are ovaled.
     
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    Great info. Thanks for sharing the feedback on this.
     
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    Thanks for sharing!
     
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